by Azaroth | September 14th, 2009
A couple of places to read up on this topic are here and here. Essentially the advent of modern programs offers the ability for a group to precisely time spell “dumps”, allowing for a generally instant kill of a member of the opposing group. While using this tactic as well as (to some degree) defending against it has become considered somewhat of a matter of skill in the current UO PvP community, it can easily be automated through various cheat programs and is likely quite offputting to those who aren’t heavily involved in the UO free server PvP community currently, providing a rather large barrier to entry around the PvP game for many of those people.
As such, I present the first IPY 2.0 Poll. Click this post to vote.
(Poll is closed at 50%/50%)
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“1. Unstackable explosions – won’t fix synch dumping because people will either roll with more people or just stack flamestrikes. Synching is still easy because of targetting player bars.”
Yeah, we can’t have people out there making their group bigger and stronger and more dominant. We better do whatever we can to make sure that UO is all about 3v3 mage fights.
Stacked flamestrikes is also such a joke and a bitch made, lame ass argument. It assumes that a group of 5 people aren’t gonna rape a group of 3 people regardless of what spells they cast. Oh, let me guess, you like that pvp where your group casts explosions, and then you run and run “ok you guys got Iced Earth on target” run and run and run “yeah I got em” “yep got em” run and run and run “ok 2 1 Drop” run and run “Got em! Yeah! “/”Aw fuck he got healed” run and run and run etc. etc. etc. This is AWFUL and for you guys to argue IN FAVOR of this SHIT pvp is only all too indicative of your lack of taste. You guys are divinity to the core, DIVINITY IS SHIT, why would you want IPY to be like Divinity? You guys are on here trying to use IPY as a popularity springboard to basically make it into a Large, Populated version of Divinity because that is what you are used to. It’s shit.
Don’t listen to what ppl like Choppa, Keuse, Mazer, and Sultani say, they are morons who want IPY to be like Divinity.
Dicks.
I want IPY to be like IPY actually.
But hey, maybe more 1v1 RPV’s will help your argument.
I think everyone can relax, because I’m trying to go out of my way to try to please everyone. We can probably put the argument to bed.
Fairly confident I’ve got the basis of something that’ll leave the world mostly unchanged and let everyone do synch PvP the way they’re used to while allowing other people to opt out and avoid it. Regular PvPers will have to adapt when they choose to war an O/C guild, though. I could have it so that they wouldn’t, but one side has to adapt to the other side one way or another – and the side that chooses to specifically opt out shouldn’t be it, I don’t think. But as far as compromises go, I’d say it should be solid. Both sides will complain a little, but that’s when you know you’ve got a good compromise.
What I’m interested in now are the effects of the cheat programs so I can think about how to foil them a bit.
I love the idea of not being able to target bars, but I think it brings up some big problems when you start getting into abilities of cheat programs again.
IPY wasn’t at all really about sync dumps until the last little while when some people started automating it.
And FYI none of this will be a problem on 3.0 because PvP will be WILDLY DIFFERENT IN MANY MANY WAYS. So if you hate it, give that a try.
“They all want IPY to be like Divinity” whilst we are arguing for IPY to be exactly like it was. Insanity.
The biggest problems I’ve seen are auto tab, and healing. You can spam weakens on a guy and never waste a punch, even being right on top of the guy if you wanted to.
There are also a couple programs out there that tell you exactly when your next swing timer is ready, and when the poison is going to tick disrupt
What fun was actually playing the game anyway.
There was certainly no fun in timing things correctly or actually having any sort of skill.
Ha, you got that one right Az. I sit here amazed at how many people take a god damn game so seriously. Hell, maybe I’m even guilty of it in the past.
I’m definitely with the people who say UO was a lot more fun before sync dumping became a huge thing and I’m not just saying that because I was horrible at it. I was decent especially when my POS wasn’t freezing up in the California heat. Just don’t see how it can be avoided.
UO has always had ways to macro and cheat and voice programs have pretty much always been around too. The extent it’s gotten too and become over the years is just ridiculous though. Anyways… I’m interested to see how it all pans out. I’m pulling for you Az. My computer is too shitty to play the new games. :P
there has always been sync dump, hell i remember in 98 on chesapeake we used a program like ventrilo which i cant remember the name to call targets..
I remember people using roger wilco. Problem for me was that my computer was even more of a pos back then and if I had that running in the background with my 33k or 56k playing on chessy from the west coast it would take 20 mins to cross a screen.
Anyways… my memory may be hazy from chronic alcohol abuse, but wasn’t the party system not implemented around the time of UO:R or right around UO:R and bars used to dissapear when a person ran off screen? Sorry if this has already been mentioned. Haven’t really read through all the comments. I guess it would be a client version issue.
Probably wouldn’t make too much of a difference anyways.
Umbral will support and play IPY 2.0 100% We couldn’t be more thrilled, and we have already began contacting all our old members who have since given up on the return of IPY.
Thank you Azaroth. We have played so many shit reincarnate clones of the best UO server that has ever existed, and we can’t fucking wait!
No horses. Ever.
Zigo, I appreciate that sir.
“Fairly confident I’ve got the basis of something that’ll leave the world mostly unchanged and let everyone do synch PvP the way they’re used to while allowing other people to opt out and avoid it. Regular PvPers will have to adapt when they choose to war an O/C guild, though. I could have it so that they wouldn’t, but one side has to adapt to the other side one way or another – and the side that chooses to specifically opt out shouldn’t be it, I don’t think. But as far as compromises go, I’d say it should be solid. Both sides will complain a little, but that’s when you know you’ve got a good compromise.”
I love this. I have faith that something awesome is on the horizon.
Peace out all, I will see you all on the field!
Please, nobody listen to iced earth. He has had the better half of a decade to become a good UO pvper, and he has just pissed and moaned the years away.
Nobody should consider or calculate his opinion into any decision made for the better of this project.
Sorry to flame ya dude, but sometimes the truth stings.
Become a good UO pvper? Dude they were doing Stratics interviews about me and shit because I was dominating Lake Superior so hard. I was undefeated in duels, tons of people would show up at Wrong Roof to watch me duel people with whom I had a feud. I was in a guild called F-A which utterly CRUSHED the shard for the time we were in power. I was undefeated 1v1 until a man named KARN finally ended my god knows how long win streak.
Who were you again? Oh, just some drone in one of those Cheaper by the Dozen Synch Dump guilds who sprouted up in the wake of real greatness in this game. There were those who rivaled me but were never my better. You are among those, except you hardly even rival me. Your flavor is stale and your smack is weak.
I’m the guy you looked up too when you were a kid. I’m your Michael Jordan, Zigo.
I saw a genie in pee wee herman who told me all the UO players are losing their minds. BTW cheez let’s kiss and make up. There’s too much hate around here.
on I meant:P drunk as always *bows*
Sorry maybe I’m rambling, but if there are PKs! I’d like to see a decent anti guild. Kind of like MiM on chessy. Eventhough that may be a bad example. I’m ready for new ideas…. hell, maybe i’lll try getting one going.
Duno why my name is agathy.. apparently its under my e-mail. Ohwell..
Dread aka Insane Killer-
First of all, Its always the care bears who cry about “omg explo eb synch is lame”.
Look at UOSA pvp.. its fucking shit. A server full of bad pvpers. I for one don’t want a server that you can make a guild house hide 3v7 after owning them with synchs that don’t stack.
Is healing a synch somtimes a dice roll and luck 3v3+? yes. How does this effect pvp? not that much if you have a brain. Not hard to interupt with a weapon. If you suck really bad, use a harm.
If explo was longer than EB then as mazer said, you wouldn’t have much hope vs a decent healing guild 3v6.
Az, if you honestly want IPY to have a big playerbase of GOOD guilds.. make them stack. If you want a average server filled with trash talking kids who can’t PvP.. then gimp PvP.
Oh, things will be pretty normal. What will be different is, I hope, your ability to use programs to automate the process for you and your ability to exploit the mechanics to cheapen the game.
“a group of 5 will beat a group of 3 regardless of what spell they cast.”
Yea, and that’s even more true if explosion doesn’t stack. I have no problem with UO being large group fighting, but you’re really just acknowledging here that no one would ever be able to win when they’re outnumbered. Why the hell is that good?
And no, I’m not in favor of the load exp, run run run run “omg you got his bar? ok Now” type of pvp. I don’t even know why the hell you’d think that. How many times did I say targetting shouldn’t be that easy?
Stop twisting what I’m saying into a bad argument to make it look like you’re right.
If targetting wasn’t easy and automatic, larger unorganized groups would still get rolled by outnumbered organized groups. Why is that bad?
“you want explosions to be able to stack therefore you want IPY to be just like divinity” is the most retarded shit ever. That’s based on the assumption that divinity is the only shard that had stackable explosions as an in place mechanic.
Please jsut stop it. I await your next response in which you totally disregard that the problem is easy TARGETTING and again twist my words into something completely different.
Most of us play T2A based shards because we liked the basic mechanics of that era. If you want a shard where the mechanics are changed to something completely different, go play one of the shards that are like that.
Group pvp has always been about mage fighting on t2a shards. Always. Yea, it’s not very diverse, but it’s the truth. If you don’t like that, play a shard where that isn’t true.
Regarding your domination of LS.. Lol..
I know you were good, but players like Clyde, Katrina, Paul Atreides, Vecna, Knives, Drake Casanova, Spar, Rakore, Damage Inc, Flipmode, Judge Judy, Arkon, and Gandalf the Grey were much… Much better.
If you don’t all be quiet, I’m going to instance PvP and make you all fight it out Bruce Lee movie style. One after another after another without the rest able to interfere until the one before you gets owned.
I’d personally enjoy that. So how can it be wrong?
Keep it up and we’ll FIND OUT.
Iced Earth:
“Become a good UO pvper? Dude they were doing Stratics interviews about me and shit because I was dominating Lake Superior so hard. I was undefeated in duels, tons of people would show up at Wrong Roof to watch me duel people with whom I had a feud. I was in a guild called F-A which utterly CRUSHED the shard for the time we were in power. I was undefeated 1v1 until a man named KARN finally ended my god knows how long win streak.
Who were you again? Oh, just some drone in one of those Cheaper by the Dozen Synch Dump guilds who sprouted up in the wake of real greatness in this game. There were those who rivaled me but were never my better. You are among those, except you hardly even rival me. Your flavor is stale and your smack is weak.
I’m the guy you looked up too when you were a kid. I’m your Michael Jordan, Zigo.”"
Lol… So again, please, nobody listen to this retard.
The only real scripters out there, are Krios users. That client needs to be banned from IPY, and once nobody can use Krios, cheating becomes highly ineffective.
SA used an EUO script for a while to synch their dumps, and it acctually made them easier to fight and kill because, even though they could synch well for once in the history of UO, The dumps were slow as fuck.
Guys I understand this is a pretty clutch issue, but lets have a little faith in the only UO server admin worth our respect and trust.
I for one don’t really care how you make the server Az, Umbral will play :)
You can use EasyUO just as easy to create Synchs. My friend who is skilled with easy UO explained it to me how there are numerous ways to make this happen.
It has nothing to do with Krrios, stop trying to divert the attention away from how easy it is to script so that you can come back with your guild and use the same EasyUO shit that made you competitive the first time around.
And Sultani you list some good names, but most if not all of them fell to my blade and were eventually completely overshadowed by my diversity of skills. But it’s easy to throw out names that you assume I didn’t know myself to try and strengthen your argument, so carry on.
I don’t remember Zigo, Umbtral, or F-A on LS.
I do remember Sultani and Memnoch in C*G, however.
Ok that’s it I’m done. I’ve been annoying enough.
fact: umbral used scripts at one point or another
tip: they are huge losers in real life.
and zigo will try to kiss up to the admins and gm’s so when they get caught cheating, the punishment wont be as severe… same exact thing that has happened on numerous sahrds.
btw azaroth, relaunch ipy website’s forums? :D
Why can’t we all just be friends and play some UO?
Note: E-mails have been sent to many former members of Fuck Blues on IPY to encourage more contributions from people that are worth listening to.
Uh, because UO is serious business that requires espionage and as many hacks and cheats as one can muster.
Highlander Online would be awesome. Last one alive gets a million bucks. I’m pretty sure people would kill each other IRL.
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!!!!!
lmao
Come the fuck on. 2 years later and everybody who sucks at the game is still calling us scripters and hackers and shit?
What a stifling coincidence it is that the only people who seem to believe we ever cheated are those who have been notorius free kills for the entire history of runuo. All the guilds we would consider prime competition have always shown us respect, and never slandered us as cheaters, because they didn’t spend 99% of every fight getting butt sexed by us.
Further more, There has never been a single instance in which one of our fiesty accusors has been a player of worth while credibility. So please, fuck off with that shit. Anybody who has lived more then 20 seconds in a fight with us can clearly see that our synchs are more often, off then on.
PS. None of us ever played LS I don’t think and none of us have ever claimed to.
Ahhh Zigo you were quoting Geryon. I don’t remember him there either.
Whats the big deal with -U- who are these guys and why does everyone think they cheat??? Zigo were you on IPY?
I played with c2w briefly on IPY and then joined -S- towards the end days.
Umbral was founded by me and a player named Mondain on UOredemption, and has since played every ipy reincarnate. We weren’t the best on Redemption, but we were definatly B tier at least. After UORedemption we really established our selves as an A tier guild, competing neck n neck with FS!, c2w, GOD, and + -
We really aren’t accused of cheating any more then any of the guilds I just named for you but,
if you suck fucking balls at this game and have a big Ego as well, You aren’t going to chalk your losses up to being out played :( So in a way, I understand why they call us hackers. Some of these guys have been under our thumb for 3-4 servers now, I can’t blame em really although it does frusterate me since we strive to embody the spirit of clean legitimate uo competition.
Some of our Core members, past and present, consist of;
Blaze, Robin, Trystan, Mistro, Davey Havok, Myself, and many others.
You can check us out at uomovies.com if you wish, We have some great victories (one consisting of a 4 v 16 on hybrid that we pulled through) and we have some pretty good fights that we have lost posted as well.
Oh yeah, Robot Sex and Exe have also been members of Umbral. Those names should definatly be recognizable to ya.
Well, I think the last I remember of IPY that the play was pretty balanced. If you were dumped on you could get atleast one mini heal and someone else would gheal you after that. not to mention pots and aids and whatnot.
If you stopped synching then you would give a clear advantage to dexxers. dexxers would then be able to heal with aids and pots and disrupt whatever other spells that were being cast. not to mention if they are mage dexxers who can cast a mini heal to stay afloat till the big heals kick in.
Just something that I remember reading about, Anti’s.. I was part of an Anti guild on IPY for about a year and then playing around I went Red, and that char happend to be the most trained of my chars so I stayed red. The reason I went red in the first place was killing blue healers. So in essence I was an Anti rolling with pks killing other pks.
BTW, if u put up IPY again,, could you not let my tower decay,, I worked hard for that POS. I can’t believe you let IPY go offline,, I was playing for close to 2 years,, from what I can remember. Maybe 1.5.. its been awhile. I’ll let some of the old players know that theres an IPY in the possible works.
Btw, sup to all the ppl I know, I see some c2w and fku and some of Talimores boys in some of these posts.
Oh and about Redemption, I tried to make that work but unfortunately we had some people join the project and un-GM me when I was doing everything with permission from Tilly and Smee. Not going to name any names *cough* dole *cough*. Not to mention I was doing some of the scripting to fix pvp issues when they did that. anyways..
This one time, like a month into IPY being up, me and an old guildmate took on 8 [ME] guys in the woods. Anyone remember those guys? Sure they were beyond terrible but they talked a lot of shit all the time. One time I went to their website and they had a section for “forum rap battles” which I thought was just extremely amusing/sad at same time.
I dunno what this has to do with anything but by golly, this convo was exhausted 2 weeks ago and you guys still gave it 100 defibrilations. Whats one more matter.
BTW Tilly had a sexy voice. Just sayin. No I’m not a predator… …or am I?
Final word:
My goal here is to detect cheating (please expect that I will put work into this and leave the EUO at home, kids – you can play without it, really) and to otherwise, specifically regarding synch dumps, lessen the degree that group PvP is ABOUT timed dumps and really only timed dumps. I have no intention of taking it out, but I’m going to alter some of the ways it’s exploited to cheapen PvP.
Once I get those two things done, I won’t have a problem with sync dumping. At that point, it’s part of the game.
But still a part I intend to provide an alterantive that focuses on individual skill and group tactics other than timed dumps.
I love how everyone has been spreading the word. I’ve hit up all my old guildmates and guild rivals, with universally positive responses.
It’s hard to believe but demand for a GOOD t2a shard in 2009/2010 is as large as ever. I love how people are still like “man i spent a year and a half farming that fucking tower i hope it’s still there”. That shit genuinely brings a smile to my face. Setup some forums and then please don’t read them.
I don’t want to move too quickly. I started having discussion on a blog and I don’t want that to turn into expectations and disappointment when servers aren’t up when people expect them to be, etc.
Things will get done on their own time. As you can see, people already have their own expectations for what’s happening. Mandrake is going to be pissed off when he realizes that we’re not starting from the last save and bringing the server up how it went down – and so on. I’m just trying to move a little slower than I normally would and minimize the mistakes I make with the community as well as manage their expectations.
Aside from that, I have some serious family stuff going on and like I said I’m not into babysitting a forum of PvPers at the moment. At all.
Patience, my dear.